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    Post by SBR on Thu Sep 21, 2017 9:59 pm

    Man FloSlam is just the dirt worst lol


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    Post by Swarles on Fri Sep 22, 2017 3:56 pm

    FloSlam is refusing to broadcast tonight's EVOLVE event. We apologize, but this is their decision. Please contact them for customer issues

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    Re: Steaming Player FloSports rolling out announcements of Indy Wrestling content acquisitions : First up WWNLIVE

    Post by Swarles on Fri Sep 22, 2017 6:20 pm

    Large Michael Johnson wrote:One of the aspects of the WWN vs. FloSports lawsuit over the last 24 hours has been the allegation that WWN falsified information in order to get a better deal out of the streaming service, which earlier today, informed WWN that they would not carry the EVOLVE events this weekend.

    The FloSlam streaming service officially launched in October 2016, but PWInsider.com is told by sources that conversations with WWN began as early as January 2016. At that point, FloSlam was hoping to make deals with WWN, Ring of Honor and New Japan Pro Wrestling. In the end, WWN signed with FloSports first and the other two companies passed.

    When FloSports came to WWN, they requested data regarding their iPPV buys. We are told that at the time, WWN had just left one hosting company, Fine Line Hosting and moved to another, as they were in the process of building a new website at WWNLive.com and were shifting everything over to the new server. The previous hosting company not only deleted the servers but shut down entirely as the company went out of business. WWN had to scramble to track down the data and provided it to FloSports

    It should be noted that there have been some insane numbers floated in the last few days, including the idea that WWN was bringing in 5,000 iPPV orders per show, which would equate to something in the area of a $75,000 profit per show. Unless we see hard data over the course of the court case that proves WWN provided that insane number to FloSports, I would be shocked that is the case for several reasons. One, that would mean the company gave up $150,000 per month in revenue and development of their own website in order to sign with FloSports to produce five shows a month for far less money per show. The math doesn't add up and WWN officials would have had to have been insane to give up that sort of money and momentum.

    PWInsider.com has been told that in actuality, in 2016, WWN (on average) was doing in the area of 1,300 iPPV buys for EVOLVE, 600-7000 for SHINE and less than 200 buys for FIP events while selling those events. The year before, which they also provided to FloSports, those numbers were lower and the EVOLVE numbers were said to have been way up from the year before because WWE was promoting that brand.

    Sources close to the company are adamant that correct information was given to FloSports and that this is an attempt by the streaming service to break the contract, which has another 12-15 months on it until a period where the two sides can determine if they are going to continue moving forward. Obviously, the truth will come out in the legal proceedings. Until the hard evidence pops up, all that is really out there is speculation and that speculation, when you sprinkle some logic on it, doesn't add up to much in the way of common sense. If WWN provided those ridiculous numbers to FloSports and FloSports didn't do its due dilligence before offering a deal, well, one has to wonder why they didn't.

    WWN sources claim that after the company provided numbers to FloSports, they, within 24 hours, were presented with an offer to create content for the streaming service, which they quickly agreed to because it was a great offer for the company. At that point, they bumped up from running 2-3 shows a month to five, as FloSports wanted that much material. PWInsider.com, in asking around, was told there was no contractual obligation from WWN for anything beyond providing the content (which had been provided in the form of the EVOLVE, ACW, Style Battle, SHINE and FIP promotions) and producing that content for FloSports, so FloSports did not have to have anyone on their end doing production. We are also told there was also nothing in the contract that would have led to penalties for WWN if they did not perform at a certain level, which if that's the case, seems pretty insane from FloSport's perspective.

    The timeline of the data issue, PWInsider.com is told, is that six months ago, FloSports came seeking additional information on WWN's iPPV numbers prior to WWN migrating to FloSports service. WWN tracked down the owner of the former hosting company who provided all information that he had. FloSports returned asking for additional information that neither the former host nor WWN had and were told as such.

    One source stated that FloSports was looking for time stamped information regarding orders on the old WWNLive streaming site, which we are told that, based on the makeup of the site, the old host never recorded. As an aside, when that site existed, PWInsider.com, like many other sites, had an affiliate link and when we looked up orders, it would list the name of the user who signed up through the link and a list of the shows that user ordered, but had no time stamped information beyond when that user signed up for the account.

    As one might imagine, it has been a stressful week for WWN. We are told the company had no idea anything was amiss until they were informed of the lawsuit, which they were informed of while in the middle of producing last week's SHINE broadcast, the first of three live shows that they were producing for FloSports.

    We are also told that yesterday, FloSports indicated to WWN that they wanted to continue the relationship (and there have been some negotiations over the last week, although none led to any agreement) yet today, they instead pulled all the programming. As noted earlier, as of right now, FloSports has stopped paying WWN for the content created in July, August and now September, which is obviously going to put a financial hurting on the company.

    What is most mind-boggling about pulling the live programming is that FloSports has now let down their own paying subscribers by not providing what had been advertised to them. The events have been pulled down and as a paid FloSports subscriber, I can tell you that no announcement was made to their mailing list or via their platforms as to why the scheduled EVOLVE shows have disappeared from the schedule.

    WWN, meanwhile, has decided they will air this weekend's show on their WWNLive.com website, offering them for $10 each. If you provide documentation that you are a current FloSlam subscriber, you can order the shows for $5 each. Since WWN was not ready to set up and accept orders for the iPPVs on their website at such a late juncture, the shows have to be ordered via direct links. That information is embedded below.

    https://www.pwinsider.com/ViewArticle.php?id=112460

    Shows pulled, everything is fucked. At this point the only thing of Flo's schedule is a lonely IWP-UK show.

    I have canceled the service and signed up for powerbomb.tv, who is offering 6 months to flo subscribers, which is very kind of them.

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    Re: Steaming Player FloSports rolling out announcements of Indy Wrestling content acquisitions : First up WWNLIVE

    Post by SBR on Sun Sep 24, 2017 9:34 pm

    Swarles wrote:
    Large Michael Johnson wrote:One of the aspects of the WWN vs. FloSports lawsuit over the last 24 hours has been the allegation that WWN falsified information in order to get a better deal out of the streaming service, which earlier today, informed WWN that they would not carry the EVOLVE events this weekend.

    The FloSlam streaming service officially launched in October 2016, but PWInsider.com is told by sources that conversations with WWN began as early as January 2016.  At that point, FloSlam was hoping to make deals with WWN, Ring of Honor and New Japan Pro Wrestling.  In the end, WWN signed with FloSports first and the other two companies passed.

    When FloSports came to WWN, they requested data regarding their iPPV buys.  We are told that at the time, WWN had just left one hosting company, Fine Line Hosting and moved to another, as they were in the process of building a new website at WWNLive.com and were shifting everything over to the new server.  The previous hosting company not only deleted the servers but shut down entirely as the company went out of business.   WWN had to scramble to track down the data and provided it to FloSports

    It should be noted that there have been some insane numbers floated in the last few days, including the idea that WWN was bringing in 5,000 iPPV orders per show, which would equate to something in the area of a $75,000 profit per show.  Unless we see hard data over the course of the court case that proves WWN provided that insane number to FloSports, I would be shocked that is the case for several reasons.  One, that would mean the company gave up $150,000 per month in revenue and development of their own website in order to sign with FloSports to produce five shows a month for far less money per show.  The math doesn't add up and WWN officials would have had to have been insane to give up that sort of money and momentum.

    PWInsider.com has been told that in actuality, in 2016, WWN (on average) was doing in the area of 1,300 iPPV  buys for EVOLVE, 600-7000 for SHINE and less than 200 buys for FIP events while selling those events. The year before, which they also provided to FloSports, those numbers were lower and the EVOLVE numbers were said to have been way up from the year before because WWE was promoting that brand.

    Sources close to the company are adamant that correct information was given to FloSports and that this is an attempt by the streaming service to break the contract, which has another 12-15 months on it until a period where the two sides can determine if they are going to continue moving forward.   Obviously, the truth will come out in the legal proceedings.  Until the hard evidence pops up, all that is really out there is speculation and that speculation, when you sprinkle some logic on it, doesn't add up to much in the way of common sense.  If WWN provided those ridiculous numbers to FloSports and FloSports didn't do its due dilligence before offering a deal, well, one has to wonder why they didn't.

    WWN sources claim that after the company provided numbers to FloSports, they, within 24 hours, were presented with an offer to create content for the streaming service, which they quickly agreed to because it was a great offer for the company.  At that point, they bumped up from running 2-3 shows a month to five, as FloSports wanted that much material.   PWInsider.com, in asking around, was told there was no contractual obligation from WWN for anything beyond providing the content (which had been provided in the form of the EVOLVE, ACW, Style Battle, SHINE and FIP promotions) and producing that content for FloSports, so FloSports did not have to have anyone on their end doing production.  We are also told there was also nothing in the contract that would have led to penalties for WWN if they did not perform at a certain level, which if that's the case, seems pretty insane from FloSport's perspective.

    The timeline of the data issue, PWInsider.com is told, is that six months ago, FloSports came seeking additional information on WWN's iPPV numbers prior to WWN migrating to FloSports service.  WWN tracked down the owner of the former hosting company who provided all information that he had.  FloSports returned asking for additional information that neither the former host nor WWN had and were told as such.  

    One source stated that FloSports was looking for time stamped information regarding orders on the old WWNLive streaming site, which we are told that, based on the makeup of the site, the old host never recorded.  As an aside, when that site existed, PWInsider.com, like many other sites, had an affiliate link and when we looked up orders, it would list the name of the user who signed up through the link and a list of the shows that user ordered, but had no time stamped information beyond when that user signed up for the account.

    As one might imagine, it has been a stressful week for WWN.  We are told the company had no idea anything was amiss until they were informed of the lawsuit, which they were informed of while in the middle of producing last week's SHINE broadcast, the first of three live shows that they were producing for FloSports.

    We are also told that yesterday, FloSports indicated to WWN that they wanted to continue the relationship (and there have been some negotiations over the last week, although none led to any agreement) yet today, they instead pulled all the programming.  As noted earlier, as of right now, FloSports has stopped paying WWN for the content created in July, August and now September, which is obviously going to put a financial hurting on the company.

    What is most mind-boggling about pulling the live programming is that FloSports has now let down their own paying subscribers by not providing what had been advertised to them.    The events have been pulled down and as a paid FloSports subscriber, I can tell you that no announcement was made to their mailing list or via their platforms as to why the scheduled EVOLVE shows have disappeared from the schedule.

    WWN, meanwhile, has decided they will air this weekend's show on their WWNLive.com website, offering them for $10 each.  If you provide documentation that you are a current FloSlam subscriber, you can order the shows for $5 each.  Since WWN was not ready to set up and accept orders for the iPPVs on their website at such a late juncture, the shows have to be ordered via direct links.  That information is embedded below.

    https://www.pwinsider.com/ViewArticle.php?id=112460

    Shows pulled, everything is fucked. At this point the only thing of Flo's schedule is a lonely IWP-UK show.

    I have canceled the service and signed up for powerbomb.tv, who is offering 6 months to flo subscribers, which is very kind of them.

    Did you get a refund?

    Also remember when this was the legendary service that would change pro wrestling?


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    Re: Steaming Player FloSports rolling out announcements of Indy Wrestling content acquisitions : First up WWNLIVE

    Post by Swarles on Thu Sep 28, 2017 9:39 am

    SBR wrote:Did you get a refund?
    Working on it, just sent them an email this morning. Last weekend i heard they weren't giving them out but it seems like they're being pretty good about it now.

    EDIT: their customer service is giving me the run around.

    EDIT 2: I got it pushed up to the supervisor and he said I could have my $25 yayyy

    SBR wrote:Also remember when this was the legendary service that would change pro wrestling?
    What a fucking work that was. To be honest i have to blame Meltzer on this one - he was a big proponent of them when they launched and then quickly stopped talking about it when it became obvious they were just going to carry WWN. He's also said very little about the situation since the news has broke.

    As for me, I took the 6 free months offer from powerbomb.tv and skipped EVOLVE on WWN - though i heard both EVOLVE shows this weekend were excellent, so maybe when my refund from FLO comes in I'll buy the VOD. I just refused to pay for the shows twice. (they were only offering $5 off to flo subcribers). Going forward I really can't support them doing iPPVs on wwnlive. As much as I like the product I cannot justify paying $10 per show when i pay $10 for unlimited content from Highspots, NJPW and WWE (and $0 currently for powerbomb). I also won't sign up if they do their own service, because i literally am signed up for 4 right now which is insane. Hoping they land on powerbomb.tv tbh so they are still somewhat independent, but i see them being on wwe network by 2018.

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    Re: Steaming Player FloSports rolling out announcements of Indy Wrestling content acquisitions : First up WWNLIVE

    Post by Grant on Fri Oct 20, 2017 1:01 am

    Speaking of Powerbomb.tv, AIW just signed on with them. And Beyond has some good stuff. So I used the AIW promo code to get an extended free trial. Worth it to me.


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    Post by Swarles on Fri Oct 20, 2017 8:00 am

    They're getting all of smart mark videos library, which is huge. Not just all the companies putting new stuff on there but they also have 20 years of indie wrestling in their library.

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    Re: Steaming Player FloSports rolling out announcements of Indy Wrestling content acquisitions : First up WWNLIVE

    Post by Grant on Fri Oct 20, 2017 12:12 pm

    And to think Vin Gerard is the co-founder of it. Glad the dude is doing something meaningful for the indies since in-ring wasn't as lucrative for him.


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    Re: Steaming Player FloSports rolling out announcements of Indy Wrestling content acquisitions : First up WWNLIVE

    Post by JustSkiff on Fri Oct 20, 2017 6:06 pm

    Grant wrote:And to think Vin Gerard is the co-founder of it. Glad the dude is doing something meaningful for the indies since in-ring wasn't as lucrative for him.

    Him and Fire Ant might still be the best YLC match in CHIKARA's history.

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