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    Post by CapitalTTruth on Thu Jan 30, 2014 8:54 am

    Yeah, it wont happen, it is really just an opportunity like none other at this point. One of the sticking points in investing in a promotion built upon the skill of current and former indy darlings has always been that they don't draw. Punk not only solves that problem but he provides endless opportunity to build the roster.

    Again, it wont happen. If this is legit - and even if it isn't - punk seems to REALLY need time off. And even though there is some hope glimmering behind the large cloud of smoggy crap that TNA has built up, I don't think PUnk wants to work there.



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    Post by Joe5150 on Thu Jan 30, 2014 12:50 pm

    According to both Dave Meltzer and Bryan Alvarez of F4WOnline.com, CM Punk was reportedly not happy about the idea of facing Triple H at WrestleMania, as Punk feels Triple H is not his idea of "a big feud and a big match" for 'Mania.

    Prior to his walking out on WWE Monday night at Raw, creative plans called for CM Punk to face Kane at Elimination Chamber, as the seeds for that feud have been planted for awhile now. This of course is part of a bigger story line of Punk feuding with The Authority as a whole, and would eventually lead to Punk facing Triple H at WrestleMania. It's likely Punk was turned off by the whole creative plan of him working Kane at Elimination Chamber and then Triple H at 'Mania.

    As far as the backstage reaction to Punk's WWE walk out is concerned, it's being said that Vince McMahon wants Punk back, while Triple H has mixed feelings on the idea. HHH feels Punk's actions on Monday were disrespectful, however, it's being said that HHH is allowing Vince to handle the situation going forward.


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    Post by SBR on Thu Jan 30, 2014 1:05 pm

    Punk didn't leave a WrestleMania payday on the table to go to TNA.


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    Post by TeeBeeKay on Thu Jan 30, 2014 1:52 pm

    there's a foxsports story reporting he texted one of the Gracies saying he would be in LA in a few weeks and wanted to roll

    there's a Raw in LA on the 10th


    BUT he is still scheduled for @midnight on February 12th so I would imagine that's what he's alluding to
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    Post by Indy on Thu Jan 30, 2014 2:16 pm

    WWE Network is gonna kill WrestleMania paydays.
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    Post by Stroke on Thu Jan 30, 2014 2:51 pm

    SBR wrote:Punk didn't leave a WrestleMania payday on the table to go to TNA.

    This. I have a hard time believing he'd ever show up in TNA. Unless he was able to get some serious control over the creative direction and who they bring in.
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    Post by StylesClash on Thu Jan 30, 2014 3:07 pm

    I think anyone that believes Punk is going to do TNA or Bellator is absolutely ridiculous. He hasn't had a significant amount of time off since he started in WWE and has worked in pain on numerous occasions. IF he does end up going to TNA or Bellator it won't be until July at the earliest. No way WWE lets him out of his contract to even have the ability to go to TNA or ROH.

    I like Punk, he's my favorite guy currently in the WWE, but his booking (as well as Bryan) has been horrible for a while now. The fact that HHH has no desire in having him back has to scare anyone that realizes that he'll be in full control of the company in a few years...
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    Post by CapitalTTruth on Thu Jan 30, 2014 3:52 pm

    I am just going to assume that everyone read the 3-4 times I said it won't happen and attempted to make clear that I was commenting on what TNA should TRY to do, not what I think Punk will do. I guess as far as a speech act goes, I was trying to open up conversation about how the rest of the industry should take this and/or the historical perspective on how long it has been since someone like this, in their prime hit the market. I guess I wasn't really clear on the fact that I wasn't actually talking about the idea of punk going to TNA, but the reasons why this is somewhat unique and should inspire TNA to change gears.

    Just to be clear... NO ONE - INCLUDING ME - THINKS PUNK IS GOING TO TNA.


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    Post by RefChrist on Thu Jan 30, 2014 4:08 pm

    http://www.impactwrestling.com/news/item/5462-TNA-on-YouTube-FREEVIEW-CM-Punk-in-TNA-Wrestling-Watch-The-Three-Part-Series
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    Post by 2kNikk on Thu Jan 30, 2014 5:33 pm

    God TNA is tacky.


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    Post by The PhenomenalBullyOne on Thu Jan 30, 2014 5:35 pm

    awesome i am watching this now. U think ROH would put up the match that made them pretty much Punk VS Joe?
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    Post by PhenominalXX1 on Thu Jan 30, 2014 5:47 pm

    Indy wrote:WWE Network is gonna kill WrestleMania paydays.

    basically this.

    in that interview he said he wanted clarification on his Mania Payday before deciding what to do going forward, obviously his payoff isn't worth it.

    what has Punk got left to do in WWE apart from headline 'Mania, which he'll never do because Mr Part time comes back and gets the gig?

    he's not jumping ship, he just doesn't want the hassle.

    IF he goes back to wrestling it'll be a Brock Lesnar deal.

    don't be surprised to see him turn up in UFC though.
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    Post by WhoBetta on Thu Jan 30, 2014 10:52 pm

    A few thoughts on all this...

    -When Stone Cold did this in 02 he got BLASTED by the internet and everyone in general, from what I've seen and read so far Punk is being lauded for taking a stand for basically doing the same thing for the same reasons. Just an observation not being critical.

    -Its weird to say, BUT if TNA could find a way to get Punk, he could be that guy they've been looking for since 2002 that can actually build with to a level where they can actually kinda sorta but legitimately compete with wwe, at least with TV ratings. They're not going to.

    -TNA was smart to upload and feature the minute that Punk worked for him, on YouTube. I fully expect ROH to do the same, as they should.

    -Daniel Bryan is going to be a massive beneficiary of Punks loss.

    -How many texts from Jarrett do you think Punk has on his phone right now?

    -When Punk eventually pops back for a match or two in WWE a year or two from now, the pop he gets when the music hits will collapse the building.


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    Post by Swarles on Thu Jan 30, 2014 10:57 pm

    I'm still believing he will be back for mania. I have no basis for this. It's just how I feel.


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    Post by Xero on Thu Jan 30, 2014 11:18 pm

    WhoBetta wrote:
    -When Stone Cold did this in 02 he got BLASTED by the internet and everyone in general, from what I've seen and read so far Punk is being lauded for taking a stand for basically doing the same thing for the same reasons. Just an observation not being critical.

    Yep
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    Post by 2kNikk on Fri Jan 31, 2014 7:12 am

    Don't remember Punk refusing to put someone over like Stone Cold reportedly did.


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    Post by RefChrist on Fri Jan 31, 2014 3:07 pm

    2kNikk wrote:Don't remember Punk refusing to put someone over like Stone Cold reportedly did.

    Didn't Stone Cold have a beef about money too?
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    Post by Slayer on Fri Jan 31, 2014 5:01 pm

    This isn't going to be a popular opinion, but Punk just comes off as a whiny bitch these days.

    I get that WWE isn't exactly the most ideal place for everybody to work, but that interview with Ariel Helwani and his DVD (while entertaining) really showcased this. I'm sorry that I can't feel too sympathetic for a guy who gets to live his childhood dream and makes enough money from it to be an MMA groupie and hang out with his favorite bands.

    That line in the Helwani interview about his thoughts on the WWE Network (his opinion being tied into his paychecks), gives you an idea of where his head's at right now. Yes, it's his choice to do whatever he wants, but it's also fair for other people to criticize the way he's chosen to handle this situation.

    And in no way should Punk even attempt to do MMA. He's never had any actual fighting experience, so he would get killed. Taking a few classes with the Gracies every few months (especially with Rener Gracie who has never competed in anything) won't be enough to get a broken down 35-year old in shape for a competitive fight.
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    Post by 2kNikk on Fri Jan 31, 2014 5:43 pm

    Ryback's latest tweet: "I call dibs on GTS, Pepsi Plunge and running knee in the corner. I am sure Sheamus will take the rest."

    Lol


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    Post by CapitalTTruth on Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:49 pm

    Slayer wrote:This isn't going to be a popular opinion, but Punk just comes off as a whiny bitch these days.

    I get that WWE isn't exactly the most ideal place for everybody to work, but that interview with Ariel Helwani and his DVD (while entertaining) really showcased this. I'm sorry that I can't feel too sympathetic for a guy who gets to live his childhood dream and makes enough money from it to be an MMA groupie and hang out with his favorite bands.

    That line in the Helwani interview about his thoughts on the WWE Network (his opinion being tied into his paychecks), gives you an idea of where his head's at right now. Yes, it's his choice to do whatever he wants, but it's also fair for other people to criticize the way he's chosen to handle this situation.

    And in no way should Punk even attempt to do MMA. He's never had any actual fighting experience, so he would get killed. Taking a few classes with the Gracies every few months (especially with Rener Gracie who has never competed in anything) won't be enough to get a broken down 35-year old in shape for a competitive fight.

    I kind of agree. I really like Punk. He is awesome at what he does, but it seems to me that he is a little too into demonstrating his anti-authority attitude. I get it and I am sure he is genuine. I think it comes off as somewhat obnoxious that he is always playing that card. That said, as you alluded to, he can do what he wants. I would have worked out my contract, or at least I like to think I would, but I don't know the whole story. He saved his money and he has earned the right to walk away if that is his choice. I definitely understand the backlash though.


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    Post by SBR on Sat Feb 01, 2014 1:32 am

    The dude is a great wrestler and a great wrestling character. The rest is all up for interpretation and I'd strongly agree with your opinions. Only thing is now WWE is losing a big part of it's television program.


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    Post by The PhenomenalBullyOne on Thu Feb 06, 2014 6:39 pm

    Swarles wrote:

    There new title Punk goes to Chyna
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    Post by WhoBetta on Thu Feb 06, 2014 8:23 pm

    Awaiting impending witty Punk response... Waiting... Still waiting...

    WHERE ARE YOU CM PUNK?!?!!?!?


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    Observer wrote:The departure of C.M. Punk (Phil Brooks, 35) after eight-and-a-half years under a WWE contract remained the most talked about thing in pro wrestling this past week, with chants for Punk at most of the arenas the company held shows in.

    Not a lot has changed in the past week. Punk walked out on 1/27 in Cleveland, about 30 minutes before the Raw television show was going to go on the air. There have been a lot of claims as to why, including reports claiming he was mad Dave Bautista returned and was getting the WrestleMania title match at Randy Orton (which would contradict what he said in an interview with Ariel Helwani a few days earlier, where he said he was fine with that).

    Those close to the situation say that people looking for a singular reason or a simple reason are missing the point. Nearly everyone who knew him reasonably well said that they knew he was going to leave. At one point, Orton vs. Punk for the title was planned for WrestleMania, but that changed some time back. Some had noted to us that they didn’t believe he’d last through July, when the three-year contract he signed in 2011 would expire.

    From those within the company, the talk is that Vince McMahon wants him back, because he is the company’s second biggest merchandise seller, behind John Cena, and one of its key performers, plus was figured into a key WrestleMania match with HHH. McMahon is said to be the one who is going to handle this situation even though HHH, or Paul Levesque, as he’s really known by most who aren’t wrestlers, runs talent relations. Some have said that Levesque felt that Brooks walking out was unprofessional, and that the company didn’t need him or anyone. Others have noted that he can’t express that feeling and it’s best for him to stay quiet. Even though a guy walking out of a television shoot as a headliner and with no notice would be considered unprofessional, for him to express strong feelings would have people say he’s putting his personal wrestling angle ahead of business. A key is that Punk made it clear that a match with HHH was not a match he was interested in at WrestleMania. This is in a sense is a slap in the face of HHH as a performer.

    The reality is that a match with HHH, because of his power and long-time stardom, is guaranteed to be one of the key pushed matches on the show. On the flip side, if Punk was going to leave in July, which was his plans, it really wouldn’t make sense for Punk to beat HHH, who is going to stay, and who, while not a full-time wrestler, will remain a key performer with the company for years to come. And even if HHH doesn’t want to win, he’s very well versed in both promos and matches at not really putting people over, even if he does get pinned in the end. And the reality is, if Punk is leaving, there is no reason for HHH to put him over past pacifying fans for the moment while not building the next step, unless it’s to build for a return where HHH does go over.

    WWE has made no public statements. Punk has, however, been removed from all advertising going forward. His name was never mentioned on Raw and the chants for him were not acknowledged in any form. Some expected a big burial like the company did in 2002 when Steve Austin walked out under somewhat similar circumstances, but the company probably learned to have the foresight to avoid that.

    Still, they are clearly not confident he’s coming back. He was removed from the open of the show and replaced with a shot of Kane. He was removed from a graphic on the app and replaced by Cena. On 2/4, a licensee was given the instructions to remove all graphics on merchandise going forward that was to have Punk and replace them with Randy Orton. The latter move, in particular, is a long-term move and wouldn’t have been called for unless they were pretty sure he wasn’t coming back soon.

    Those who have spoken with him and told us to expect him to leave have noted his being unhappy about money and creative, that there were things he had been told would happen that didn’t pan out. It wasn’t any one thing, although his WrestleMania payoff for the Undertaker match was said to be one of many things. But it was made clear to me not to look so simply at one specific thing, past he had lost his enthusiasm and wanted out. Because he didn’t live high on the hog, and can afford to go home and with the way he lives, he’ll have no money worries for the rest of his life.

    There was the continual frustration that he felt, correctly, that he didn’t have the look that they believe a top guy should have and it was keeping him from that position. There were also a lot of injuries to be considered. He had a few MRIs done over the past two months regarding various injuries, and underwent ImPact testing for a possible concussion (he tested negative) the night before.

    The general feeling in the company was that a lot of people were tired of his negativity and from an office standpoint, many were glad he was gone. Unlike a lot of fans, there was a mood that because of the way he left that they should move on rather than have him come back for a few months to a relationship neither wants, even though he sells a lot of merchandise.

    Mick Foley, in particular, noted that he would watch him and cringe when he would go to the top rope for the Randy Savage elbow drop, noting he knew how much it hurt him to do it and suggested Punk to take that move out of his repertoire. He noted Punk was going to do everything he could to have the best match possible until he left.

    Austin noted that, whether he agreed or not with the creative as it was in 2002 that led him to leave, he regrets doing so the way he did, because he left a lot of money on the table, as Punk is doing.

    A key thing Austin brought up is that when he left, he, like Punk, would have been in breach of contract. They can’t force him back to work if he doesn’t want to work. However, when Austin left in 2002, because of the breach, they cut off all money, meaning he didn’t get any merchandising checks from items that bore his name and likeness, or from DVD’s sold featuring him, video game royalties, or any royalties. If he were to complete his contract, he would continue to get merchandise checks after leaving the company, which in his case, would be a significant amount of money.

    McMahon did learn from the Austin situation, and situations with so many others who left on bad terms, that it’s not smart business to bury a major star after an abrupt departure, because it only leaves bad feelings if he does come back. There is nothing that has said they have called him in breach and are holding up all future payments, only that they do have the right to do so.

    Punk would not be able to work in pro wrestling, or MMA, until his contract expires in July, but he would be free and clear from that point forward to go anywhere or do anything.

    WWE had talked of changing up the planned WrestleMania show based not just on Punk leaving, but the crowd reactions at the Royal Rumble. At this point, we are not aware of any major changes. The belief is Daniel Bryan vs. HHH will take the place of Punk vs. HHH, and the Cena vs. Bray Wyatt, Undertaker vs. Brock Lesnar and Randy Orton vs. Batista WWE title matches will go as first scheduled. From TV, it did appear Orton vs. Batista is still a direction. Lesnar, Paul Heyman and Cena all didn’t work TV this week. Lesnar was pulled last week from the Raw show in Los Angeles. Cena will be back on that show and there is no word at this point if Heyman is booked on TV in Los Angeles and/or Ontario, CA.

    Foley, who described himself as someone who knew Punk pretty well and had talked with him at length over his situation, said on one hand his leaving was shocking, but on the other hand, he wasn’t surprised. Foley, who has also left the company a few times, frustrated with working there for different reasons, said he, like many, were aware of how frustrated Punk had been and said he had tried to convince Punk to look at the glass as being half full instead of half empty. But he said that someone who fancies himself on being the best in the world is not going to be able to do that.

    “Punk is a really honest guy,” Foley said in a video talking about the situation. “He rubbed people the wrong way. A lot of people personally don’t like him, but if you were to ask the guy to change, you’d eliminate who he is. You’d take away his drive.”

    Foley noted Punk was undersized and didn’t have the look that WWE wants, but in spite of that, he had become one of the top stars in the business.

    “The sky should have been the limit, and it hasn’t quite been. There have been some decisions made as far as his direction that I didn’t agree with. I knew he was thinking of leaving. I knew he was looking forward to leaving for a while.”

    Foley said he would tell Punk to just take time off and let his injuries heal and comeback refreshed.

    “He would say to me, `I’m not you. Once I’m done, I’m done.’”

    He said that he expects to talk to Punk and will tell him to work out his contract, then take time off and heal up.

    “If you still love the business, go back to the indies. Do it on your own terms. I have to believe he no longer needs the money but I think he’s going to love the wrestling business for a long time to come.”

    Foley said he was glad Punk stood up for what he believed in, but felt it was an opportunity lost for both the WWE and Punk. He, like Austin, encouraged Punk to come back and at least work out his contract. Foley said he felt Punk’s promos had been lacking for the past several months. Punk, in interviews days before quitting, said that he had gotten tired of fighting and was just accepting things.

    Foley said he would encourage WWE that if he does come back, to not script his interviews at all and let him say what he wants. Foley noted that when they worked together, Punk refused to do scripted lines that made fun of Foley’s weight. He said that a build for a Punk vs. HHH match would be a great buildup and almost guarantee a great match because both are good big game players.

    A grandstand challenge to Punk for a fight that will likely never happen, was issued by Jason David Frank, the former Green Ranger of the “Power Rangers” and the World Series of Fighting. Their matchmaker and Executive Vice President, Ali Abded-Aziz confirmed to Ariel Helwani of MMAFighting.com that Frank’s manager contacted them about such a match and said they would be interested in promoting it. He also said they were interested in having Punk fight if he’d like to. Bellator has also expressed interest in Punk. UFC President Dana White said he thought Punk, who he’s met at several shows, including on 1/26 in Chicago, was a cool guy, but said Punk made no hints at wanting to fight in UFC when they talked last week. He said he didn’t know if Punk could fight so didn’t give a definite answer when asked if they would be interested in using him. Punk had told Helwani that there’s a chance he’d fight, but he also says he’s thinking of fighting so he can entertain himself reading people talk shit about him on message boards. Frank, who is 40, fought three times as an amateur and once as a pro, as a heavyweight, but hasn’t fought in more than three years. If Punk were to fight, and the odds are against it because of the risk/reward aspect, based on his frame, he’d more likely fight at middleweight. But he has the same risk/reward as Dave Bautista, and is younger, and few really expected Bautista to fight, but it was something on his bucket list and he did it. Bill Goldberg, a big MMA fan who trained in the sport, had also entertained doing an MMA fight after WCW closed down, but in the end, decided against it.


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